Andrew Miller

And yeah, we are on track to see them, probably not in our lifetimes, but sometimes in this century, we're on track to see them disappear or become very minor.

And bigger than that, the death of embodied knowledge, where it's not just screenification.

It's like, I'm a writer, which means I spend most of my time looking at a screen and writing.

I'm not working with my hands.

But that's the trend not just of youth.

That's the trend of American life, right?

So we need to solve this somehow, but it shouldn't be regarded as the special burden of

our cars to solve it for us.

We need rites of passage.

We need more opportunities to live in our bodies and learn embodied skills.

But let's not say that we're going to draw the line at driving cars.

That seems the wrong place to draw it when they can offer us so many offsetting benefits.

It absolutely is.

And all I can say is if we want driving to make us have full and healthy relationships to the world and to ourselves, I think we're asking too much of driving.

You asked me where we should draw the line.

I have to say I'm not a minister and I'm not a philosopher, so I can't tell you that.

All I can tell you is that if we have a tool that can save lives while also giving people their time back,

I think we would be a fool not to pick it up and then use that time and money we save to invest that into solving this problem.

Oh, yes.

I mean, there's nothing Americans can't turn into a culture war battle if they try.