Andrew Phan

Eventually, we want to start

taking equity.

This might be the first option.

The second option might be, as you said, we might build one of the startups which will be able to generate revenue that will be enough to switch more people to that project.

Winners and outsiders.

Unfortunately, I read it in Russian.

That's why I don't remember the exact name of it in English, but it's written by Robert Fitzpatrick, I guess.

Um...

Yeah, again, I don't remember his name, but he appears frequently in my feeds.

This guy is running a marketplace called BigWire.

So I guess his contact is very close to me because I guess he probably had a similar background to mine because he talks a lot about his marketplace as well as about doing service-type business.

Online tool?

I would say Mixpanel because a lot of people, they don't pay attention a lot to collecting the data, the usage data.

Because user data is a very powerful tool.

It helps you to make right decisions on whether or not to make certain features.

Sorry, say again?

I try to sleep seven to eight hours per night.

Fair enough.

It's like this type of startups when I coach like 20 hours per day.

It's kind of like lifestyle business.