Andrew Revkin

Flash flood alley.

named in the 1920s, west of here.

Everyone forgot about flash floods, built these huge developments, you know, along these river basins.

Then one side starts saying, global warming, global warming.

And the other side is not recognizing that we built willfully, greedily,

vulnerability in places of utter hazard.

Same things played out in Pakistan and in Fort Myers, Florida.

And you start to understand that we're creating a landscape of risk.

as climate is changing, then it feels, oh my God, that's more complex, right?

But it also gives you more action points.

It's like, okay, well, we know how to design better.

We know that today's coasts won't be tomorrow's coasts.

Work with that.

And then let's chart an energy future at the same time.

So the story became so different.

It didn't become like a story you could package into a magazine article or the like.

And it just led me to a whole different way of even my journalism changed over time.

So I don't fight the belief-disbelief fight anymore.

I think it's actually kind of a waste.

It's a good way to start the discussion because that's where we're at.