Andrew Revkin

But this isn't about, to me, going forward from where we're at, isn't about tipping that balance back toward the center so much as finding opportunities to just do something about this stuff.

Oh yeah, and it disempowers people too.

Those who believe this then just...

Even in Adam McKay's movie, the Don't Look Up movie, there was that sort of nihilist crowd, for those who've seen it, who just say, you know, fuck this.

And a lot of people have that approach when something's too big.

and it just paralyzes you as opposed to giving you these action points.

And the other thing is, I hate it when economists are right about stuff like the- It doesn't happen all that often though.

No, no, there are these phrases, like I never knew the words path dependency until probably 10 years ago in my reporting.

And it basically says you're in a system

the things around you, how we pass laws, the brokenness of the Senate.

We don't have a climate crisis in America, we have a decision crisis as it comes to how the government works or doesn't work.

But those big features of our landscape, it's path dependency.

When you screw in a light bulb,

Even if it's an LED light bulb, it's going into a 113, 120-year-old fixture.

And actually, that fixture is almost designed... If you look at 19th century gas fixtures, they had this screw-in thing.

So we're on these long path dependencies when it comes to energy and stuff like that.

You don't just magically transition a car fleet.

A car built today will last 40 years.

It'll end up in Mexico, sold on a used car, etc., etc.

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