Andrew Revkin

So there is no quick fix, even if we're true that things are coming to an end in 13 years or 12 years or eight years.

Yale University, the climate communication group there for like 13 years, has done this Six Americas study where they've charted pretty carefully in ways that I really find useful what people believe.

And we could talk about the word belief in the context of science too,

And they've identified kind of six kinds of us.

There's from dismissive to alarmed and with lots of bubbles in between.

I think some of those bubbles in between are mostly disengaged people who don't really deal with the issue.

And they've shown a drift for sure.

There's much more majority now at the alarmed or engaged bubbles than the dismissive bubble.

There's a durable, like with vaccination and lots of other issues, there's a durable never anything bubble.

belief group, but on the reality that humans are contributing to climate change, most Americans, when you ask them, and it also depends on how you write your survey, you know, think there's a component.

But vulnerability, the losses...

that are driven by climate-related events still predominantly are caused by humans, but on the ground.

It's where we build stuff, where we settle.

Pakistan, in 1960, I just looked these data up, there were 40 million people in Pakistan.

Today, there are 225 million.

and a big chunk of them are still rural.

They live in the floodplain of the amazing Indus River, which comes down from the Himalayas.

Extraordinary 5,000-year history of agriculture there.

But when you put 200 million people in harm's way, and this doesn't say anything about the bigger questions about, oh, shame on Pakistan for having more people.

It just says the reality is the losses that we see in the news.