Andrew Revkin

You can find your flow.

And that has led, but getting back to this specific question, the 2018 IPCC report, which was a special report commissioned by

to learn about the difference between 1.5 degrees of warming and two, which sounds so weird and technocratic and complicated.

That's the one that generated the whole meme about eight years left.

12 years.

Till doomsday.

And that's the one, this was the idea that there's a point we're going to, if we don't cut emissions in half by whatever it was, 2050, we're doomed.

That emerged from that specific report.

And it wasn't something that was in the report.

It was in the spin around the report.

And that's what captivated Greta appropriately as a young person going, you know, and with her unique vantage point and stuff.

And that report, I still need to dig in and write something deeper about what happened with that particular dynamics, created this recent burst of redumed rhetoric that I think you're focusing on.

And it's all in the external interpretations, which journalism laps up

Because we're looking for the front page thought.

But it's not just the journalists.

It's the whole system.

NGOs, environmental groups.

And developing country, well-meaning leaders in developing countries, because of the structure of this treaty that goes back to 1992, that's the Paris Agreement is part of, they are now...

Really looking for a way to portray this as a CO2 problem, not a vulnerability.

Well, there's a vulnerability aspect, but like in Pakistan, their climate minister, which they didn't even have a climate minister five years ago.