Andrew Revkin

So when you were talking about purchasing power for governments, for example,

that can stimulate production capacity for batteries or whatever the good thing is and take you down faster.

And it's all about getting that margin of the new thing out competing the old.

And it's not just innovation.

It has so many parts of the pipeline that need to be nurtured.

And the other thing is relative cost.

The United States, when I was writing about this in 2006,

Our budget for DARPA, the Advanced Research Project Agency for the Defense Department, just for science, was $80 billion a year.

For health, for medical frontier research on cancer and stuff, $40 billion.

Energy was two or three.

So we weren't taking this remotely seriously.

So now if we get that up... To me, there's like this level...

You know we're taking something seriously when it's like in the tens of billions for R&D.

It's not that R&D will solve the problem, but it's a proxy for what we really care about.

We care a shitload about defense.

What's the defense budget in the United States now?

Like $800 billion?

It's some insane number.

Who's counting when you're having fun?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.