Andrew Revkin

And so innovation is not just like for the better.

you know, camera, the better solar panel, the better battery.

Social innovation actually matters hugely.

Like the guy in Nairobi I mentioned with a company doing micropayment gas to get people off charcoal.

We need that as much as this.

And I actually, I interviewed Bill Gates.

We had spent an hour with him in Seattle in 2016, um,

when he was rolling out his breakthrough energy thing.

I got to spend, it was 45 minutes, me and Bill Gates, which was pretty fun.

But I brought this up.

I said, you know, because he's all about the new nuclear thing that will solve the world's problems.

And I, yes, yes, yes.

Oh, he did.

Oh, sure.

So he's interested in one of the- Oh, he's investing heavily in nuclear, but he invests in everything.

You know, he's got a big portfolio.

Yeah.

But I brought up a guy I met in India who runs a little outfit called Selco that they do really interesting, cool village to village.

They're like an energy analyst who'll come to your house here in the States and tell you how to weatherize your house.

But they do it at the village scale.