Andrew Revkin

They're both like in their early 30s.

We need so much more of them.

And just briefly, the one thing I say about nuclear is, like with so many of these things, like subsidies, don't talk to me about yes, no nuclear.

Talk to me about what do you want to do with existing nuclear power plants?

And what do you want to do about the possibility of new ones?

Let's parse this out in chunks that we can have constructive conversations about.

The idea of no nuclear drives me crazy, just like no fossil fuel subsidies is silly in the world we inhabit that has these pockets of no energy.

So that's just my sustain what mantras.

Start with some, divide and conquer.

To conquer the dispute over by saying, let's at least get real.

This power plant has been in the Hudson Valley for 30 years.

It was the base load.

It was base load.

Base load is a real thing.

And guess what has filled the gap since that power plant has turned off?

Natural gas, natural gas.

And you don't hear that from the environmental community that was so eager to turn off the Indian Point.

And there are wonky realities that need to be dealt with.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission of the United States, their approval process is still locked and designed on this 50-year-old model of big, giant power plants.

There's an intense discussion right now about evolving a new regulatory scheme for small, modular ones because of all these implicit advantages they offer.