Andrew Revkin

Yeah.

And what happened, partially why there were so many losses, was Tacloban City had quadrupled in population in the last 30 years.

And most of the people coming into the city were poor, looking for work, and settling in marginal places where a storm surge killed them.

So those are things we, whatever the we is in the different places, really can work on.

And that gives more flex, for sure, in thinking about how...

This long trajectory that seems so immovable and so hard, the decarbonization part.

There's no excuse.

I wrote a piece, I guess a year ago.

I said there's a vulnerability emergency hiding behind this climate emergency label.

That's really what needs work.

Bangladesh is even a bigger example of that.

In the 1970s, they had horrible cyclones, one of which was the Beatles' George Harrison's Concert for Bangladesh.

Great album.

That I still have somewhere.

Hundreds of thousands.

He did a concert, a fundraising concert, the concert for Bangladesh after this terrible cyclone tragedy hit Bangladesh.

And I think there were several hundred thousand who were killed.

And a couple like that around that time.

Bangladesh has been hit by comparable storms recently.

And it's terrible.