Andrew Revkin

And then it was the,

major emitters, something or other.

And that getting away from the treaty dots and dashes toward just sectoral, big sectors that matter, you know, gas, electrification, makes a difference.

But again, you couldn't ever measure...

It's always the lag time.

And getting more time by cutting vulnerability.

Yes.

The pockets of vulnerability on the planet are huge and they're identifiable and you know what to do.

No, it's where people are living and what their capacities are.

One reason so many people moved out of San Francisco and adjacent cities into the countryside and then had their houses burned down is because they can't afford to live in the city anymore.

So affordable housing in cities can limit exposure to, in that case, wildfire.

Durban, South Africa, that terrible, devastating flood they had this year, past year, who was washed away?

Poor people who don't have any place to live.

So they settle in a floodplain along a stream bed that's livable when it's not raining buckets.

And those are vulnerabilities that are there because of dislocation housing.

Tacloban, this typhoon that hit the Philippines terribly ahead of the Paris talks, or was it the previous one?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thousands died.

Most of the stories that were written were framed around climate change because the Pope made a deal about it.

It was just before the climate talks of that year.