Andrew Revkin

They pulled a bunch of people out of poverty.

Yeah.

So, yeah, no, precedents don't really change anything on timescales that we would measure, where you could parse it out.

I think that's not to say that Obama's and the current focus on the stimulus that's happening, which includes a lot more money for research, et cetera, and innovation, I do think that will be beneficial in a very, very long run.

But I have to say, you know, when Obama stood up and said,

made credit, took credit for reductions from moving from coal to gas because of fracking.

That was actually Cheney who set that in motion.

It goes further back than that.

It was a federal investment in fracking in the 60s and 70s.

And then this one guy in Texas, right here in Texas, George Mitchell, who

cobbled together technology and that led to this real dramatic change from gas to coal that mostly played out in the Obama years, but that really was stimulated by Cheney's early energy task force in 2001 when they were getting into office.

Also, Bush did something interesting in the whole wonky climate treaty process.

It was under Bush that they started to focus on sectors.

let's do a, they did a, oh, and also on big emitters.

Let's, this isn't about 200 countries.

It's about basically eight or 10 countries.

Let's get them into a room and let's have these little sub rooms on like electrification, on mining, on whatever.

And by parsing it out and Obama picked up the same model.

They had different names for it because presidents always named something different than the last president.

One was the major economies forum.