Andrew Revkin

A number of years ago, my wife and I were with our veterinarian, who was German-born, Dr. Bach, B-A-C-H.

We were talking about the dog and stuff, and then we were talking about Trump.

And he just mentioned in passing, he said, my mother voted for Hitler.

Wow, that hit me like a brick.

Because it was so... At the very least, understanding how pathways that lead to

people doing things like he did and ordered is essential.

And the only way to understand that is to dig in and ask questions and get uncomfortable.

It still makes my hair prickle when I think back to him saying, yeah, my mom voted for Hitler.

Wow.

Exactly.

Struggling with a broken economy and all kinds of stuff.

Well, there is a background decarbonization rate that's happened for 150 years.

We moved from wood to charcoal to coal to oil, and gas is cleaner.

It's more hydrogen, less carbon.

Recently, I asked some really smart scientists who study these long trajectories of energy

When you look at those curves, is there anything in that curve that says, oh, climate treaty in 1992?

Oh, Paris.

And it's really hard.

I mean, when China came in with this huge growth in emissions, that created a bit of a recarbonization blip.

But that was this huge growth in their economy.