Andrew Revkin

And he said something really important that many people discount, which is we need sustained investment in monitoring this planet.

We neglect our systems that just tell us what's happening in the world.

And that's happened over and over again.

So if I had left it, if I had gone into the terrain of the fight over CO2, some journalist friends might have said, oh, that was good.

mashup, you know, matchup.

But I found these really profound and important things that I wanted the world to know about in the context of whether Trump was going to have him as a science advisor.

And so if I hadn't gone there, and a lot of people, if you look back, I got hammered for doing that, even from friends.

And then later, John Holdren, who had been Obama's science advisor for eight years, he said, I would rather have Will Happer as Trump's science advisor than no science advisor.

In other words, there's a landscape of things that are important.

He recognized that Happer is really smart about defense and all kinds of things too.

So it's like, you do have to sort of screw up your, ideally screw up your courage, but then not necessarily get into the

It's like with the guy in Oklahoma.

If you go in looking for the differences, you'll find them.

You can amplify them.

You can leave with this paralyzed sense of nothing having happened that was useful.

Or you can find these nuggets.

Everyone is a human being.

I can't play the mind game of what I would have asked to Hitler.

But...

Yeah, yeah.