Andrew Revkin

I'm not doing any kind of equation here related to Hitler and Joe Manchin.

Or Trump.

I mean, Trump.

I interviewed the guy, Will Hepper, I mentioned, who was a physicist at Princeton who thinks carbon dioxide is the greatest thing in the world and we should have more of it in the atmosphere.

I profoundly disagree on that point.

But I interviewed him for an hour and...

And it was so interesting because he was trying to kind of rope-a-dope me into making it about CO2 and climate because he's a super smart physicist.

And I kind of said, let's talk about some other things.

And we started talking about education and science education.

He went on for like 20 minutes about the vital importance of better science education for Americans.

He drew on people he knew from Europe, Hungary, a bunch of Nobel Prize winners came from some town in Hungary, at least a couple.

And he said that he learned their teachers.

At any rate, he went into a long exposition on that.

He then defended climate science.

He said, we need more climate science.

He says, I love this stuff.

I love the ocean buoys.

There are now thousands of them in the oceans charting clear pictures of ocean circulation.

And

satellites.