Andrew Revkin

How do we answer that guy at the energy department, Jigar Shah?

So how do we put this to work to get our buses off electricity, to get electrified or transition our street lamps and stuff?

You could have a good chat with him.

If you go in there and say, I'm here to debate you to death on global warming, forget about it.

Well, I have talked to really bad people.

When I wrote about the murder of Chico Mendes, a Brazilian Amazon rainforest activist in 1989, I interviewed the killers.

One was in jail.

Several of them were just ranchers who, you know, they had their point of view.

They were there in the

The word in Brazil and Portuguese is limpar, to clean the land.

They're the bandarantes, the pioneers of Brazil.

They go into these frontiers and tame them like we had in our West.

And they would bring that up too.

They would say to me, well, you did this.

They didn't say you murdered your Native Americans and stuff, but they could easily have said that too.

And you deforested all your landscapes.

So who are you to come down here to?

But if I didn't talk to them, that would be,

not a way to do journalism.

Yeah, well, I think this happened with Joe Manchin.