Andrew Revkin

is a fundamental need now that wasn't a need when we were growing up.

We read that a few newspapers, my dad would turn on the nightly news and Walter Cronkite would say, that's the way it is.

I said, that's the way it is.

And that's so not the way the media environment is now.

So courses in media literacy should be kind of fundamental parts of curricula from like kindergarten on, or parents can do the same thing.

There's a woman at URI, University of Rhode Island, Renee Hobbs, who teaches a course in propaganda literacy.

And she said, you know, the history of the word is not bad.

Propaganda could be good.

It's pro.

It's for the church.

She did a wonderful chat with me.

She laid this out.

But understanding when it is propaganda, like the tobacco, you know, there is hopefully a difference between that and that, right?

Cigarette ads and journalistically acquired information.

So Akita, everything Bjorn was talking about too is just understanding how to not be sucked into this information environment and spit out as a paralyzed, doomist entity.

Because once you have an ability to step back, then you can use Twitter or whatever you're on

To find people who might have a skill set you don't have that is something you need to do to incorporate, to harness, to do the thing you want to do in the world.

Finding your way to make the world better.

And it can have nothing to do with climate.

But if it makes a few more people's lives better, then overall you're leading toward better capacity for all this stuff.