Andrew Revkin

I could just sort of try to be as rich as possible and use as much energy as possible and have other people...

I mean, Alex Epstein, I think, again, this is one of the constraints on my support for what he says is he's just talking about growth and progress in that sense.

But there are consequences and there are long-term trajectories here that have to be taken into account too.

So what do you wake up to do?

To me, it's finding your part of this.

And as Bjorn said, finding a way to pursue and expand betterment.

When I taught, I was at Pace University for six years.

And one of the courses I launched there was called Blogging a Better Planet.

And it was for grad students mostly in communication.

It wasn't an environment, it wasn't like Better Planet, like save the climate.

But my task for the students was to blog about something they're passionate about, first of all.

Because you can't do this, just like you can't do your conversations if you don't wake up in the morning wanting to do what you're doing, right?

You're doing this...

I used to call myself a selfish blogger because I was learning every day.

I still am.

I love this.

My wife laughs.

She thinks I work too much.

But I'm always asking those questions, like sustain what?

So my charge to the students was,