Andrew Revkin

And actually doing useful science is disincentivized.

Especially if it involves more than one discipline.

Because as a young scientist, there were some postdocs at Columbia who wrote this other manifesto paper saying, here are the things universities need to do to foster the collaborative capacity we need to have sustainable development.

And it was like four or five things that universities don't do.

give you time to become fluent and for a physicist to talk to an anthropologist and understand how anthropology works or sociology takes time.

And then building a relationship with a community that has a problem that you want to fix takes time.

And so you do these like quick turnaround papers that get you toward your little micro career goal, but they're not actually getting you what you want in the world.

Those are really hard problems going forward.

But starting with that idea of usability,

What can I do with my skill sets?

You know, a lot of great physicists I know are dug in on string theory and stuff.

Someone has to dig in on that too, but I'd like to have them pull a little bit of their brain power away to think about some of the practical things Bjorn thinks about too.

Well, you know, biologically...

Evolution has demanded that life is about finding sources of energy and perpetuating yourself, right?

So that's the baseline.

And that's led us into a bit of a bollocks because we have this easy energy.

It's come from the ground so far.

But our brilliance has given this larger awareness of...

Everything about the planet is transitory.

And so how do you work with that productively is really an important question.