Andrew Revkin

There was that documentary who killed the electric car, which seemed to imply that there were fights to keep this tamp down.

And it's fundamentally cleaner, fundamentally better.

But then you have to manage these bigger questions.

If we're going to do a build-out here, how do you make it fair?

As you were saying, who actually uses transit cars?

And Jagir Shah, that guy at the energy department I mentioned who has all this money to give out, he wants to give loans to – if you had an Uber fleet, those Uber drivers, they're the ones who need –

electric cars.

His work, and there was a recent story in Grist also, said that most of the sales of Teslas are the high end of the market.

They're $60,000, $80,000 vehicles.

The Hummer, the electric Hummer, there was a data point on that astonishing data point.

The battery in that Hummer weighs more than

I'd have to look it up.

It weighs more than a car.

Yeah, I think it might've been the Prius.

And think of the material costs there.

Think of where that battery, the cobalt and the lithium, where does this stuff come from to build this stuff out?

I'm all for it, but we have to be honest and clear about that's a new resource rush, like the oil rush back in the early 20th century.

And those impacts have to be figured out too.

And if they're all big hummers for rich people,

There's so many contrary arguments to that that I think we have to figure out a way.