Andrew Rose (UK)

And that's awesome. Love it. But I'm really concerned that those guys are doing this with not enough of a focus on cybersecurity. Very early on in sort of the physical security phase, when suddenly everyone realized that you could actually connect your iPhone to your front door and you could actually open your front door with an iPhone and you could sort of have a doorbell.

And that's awesome. Love it. But I'm really concerned that those guys are doing this with not enough of a focus on cybersecurity. Very early on in sort of the physical security phase, when suddenly everyone realized that you could actually connect your iPhone to your front door and you could actually open your front door with an iPhone and you could sort of have a doorbell.

pushes that all those products, the first wave of those products came out, no security embedded because it just wasn't seen. They just wanted to create functionality. That was key. First to market with functionality, all they wanted. And I'm concerned that perhaps that happens again in this industry. And that would be a devastating mistake.

pushes that all those products, the first wave of those products came out, no security embedded because it just wasn't seen. They just wanted to create functionality. That was key. First to market with functionality, all they wanted. And I'm concerned that perhaps that happens again in this industry. And that would be a devastating mistake.

Because if those are adopted and put into systems, put into processes where we know critical infrastructure has a problem with legacy tech, you buy it once and you keep it for 20, 30 years and you don't change it. If they're going to embrace these new technologies and put it on their farms, it's going to be there for a while.

Because if those are adopted and put into systems, put into processes where we know critical infrastructure has a problem with legacy tech, you buy it once and you keep it for 20, 30 years and you don't change it. If they're going to embrace these new technologies and put it on their farms, it's going to be there for a while.

And if that's not capable of being secured properly, then we're building huge problems for a long period of time here. So there's a lot here. That's a lot that concerns me, which is why I think it's great that we have this podcast and other conversations to try and raise awareness.

And if that's not capable of being secured properly, then we're building huge problems for a long period of time here. So there's a lot here. That's a lot that concerns me, which is why I think it's great that we have this podcast and other conversations to try and raise awareness.

So those startup companies can perhaps think twice when they're creating this great new function and thinking, well, perhaps I should build security and perhaps that will enable us to be better in the future. Absolutely it will.

So those startup companies can perhaps think twice when they're creating this great new function and thinking, well, perhaps I should build security and perhaps that will enable us to be better in the future. Absolutely it will.

We absolutely do. And there's one sort of incentive to this because there was a product that was released into aviation and aviation is very picky about products, but this was released into aviation and it was put into pretty much every jet and every airliner. but it wasn't really built with security in mind. And so it can do its little function, its little dumb function, and that's all it does.

We absolutely do. And there's one sort of incentive to this because there was a product that was released into aviation and aviation is very picky about products, but this was released into aviation and it was put into pretty much every jet and every airliner. but it wasn't really built with security in mind. And so it can do its little function, its little dumb function, and that's all it does.

The problem is if they built security into that from the off, then that would have had so much more potential for growth. They could have got that little system to grow and do more functions and bring more functionality and more operation capability to the cockpit if only they built security in from day one.

The problem is if they built security into that from the off, then that would have had so much more potential for growth. They could have got that little system to grow and do more functions and bring more functionality and more operation capability to the cockpit if only they built security in from day one.

they never did and so now it's hamstrung entirely to only do a dumb job so think if you're a product developer and you're in the space think very much about if i want to create the the length of delivery to create a value chain that can get longer and longer with my product then i need this to be secure it needs to talk in a secure way to authenticate correctly using zero trust principles

they never did and so now it's hamstrung entirely to only do a dumb job so think if you're a product developer and you're in the space think very much about if i want to create the the length of delivery to create a value chain that can get longer and longer with my product then i need this to be secure it needs to talk in a secure way to authenticate correctly using zero trust principles

It needs to be able to be scalable. All of these other security things need to be built in. And if you do that, then you have a product which you can maintain and build upon for years. And that's where your company will grow.

It needs to be able to be scalable. All of these other security things need to be built in. And if you do that, then you have a product which you can maintain and build upon for years. And that's where your company will grow.

We have to find the other Andrew Rose. Yes.

We have to find the other Andrew Rose. Yes.