Andrew Rose (US)

Let's say that there is that one little thing that everyone's using that isn't secured. What happens if that's a conduit from a tax? Then who is going to hold the liability? Is it the end user? Is it the farmer or the agribusiness? Is it the manufacturer? Who knows? Are they still in business? There's a lot more questions there than there are answers.

Let's say that there is that one little thing that everyone's using that isn't secured. What happens if that's a conduit from a tax? Then who is going to hold the liability? Is it the end user? Is it the farmer or the agribusiness? Is it the manufacturer? Who knows? Are they still in business? There's a lot more questions there than there are answers.

And as I mentioned before, we need to understand we're in pre-war footing here. Our enemies are already pre-positioned into our critical infrastructure. If we're not aware of that, if we're not mitigating and responding to that, shame on us.

And as I mentioned before, we need to understand we're in pre-war footing here. Our enemies are already pre-positioned into our critical infrastructure. If we're not aware of that, if we're not mitigating and responding to that, shame on us.

And with the, and again, this is Andrew just speculating out there, with the number of onslaught of attacks and the increase in velocity of these attacks, we still are playing the nice guy. You know, we're still putting the fires out, fixing things, and whatever offense we're taking is shrouded in opaque for certain reasons.

And with the, and again, this is Andrew just speculating out there, with the number of onslaught of attacks and the increase in velocity of these attacks, we still are playing the nice guy. You know, we're still putting the fires out, fixing things, and whatever offense we're taking is shrouded in opaque for certain reasons.

Yeah, but we're going to reach a day when this crescendo is so great that we're just going to take the gloves off and start hitting back. And, you know, I'm kind of looking forward to that. I mean, just... They said that a cyber attack could constitute an act of war. And I know that's been said, but I haven't seen it acted on yet.

Yeah, but we're going to reach a day when this crescendo is so great that we're just going to take the gloves off and start hitting back. And, you know, I'm kind of looking forward to that. I mean, just... They said that a cyber attack could constitute an act of war. And I know that's been said, but I haven't seen it acted on yet.

But it breaks my heart because for every ag hack that you see, there's probably another 90 that I hear about that aren't seen. And it breaks my heart what's going on right now. And I really would love to punch back a little bit.

But it breaks my heart because for every ag hack that you see, there's probably another 90 that I hear about that aren't seen. And it breaks my heart what's going on right now. And I really would love to punch back a little bit.

Or Kristen, I mean, the easy answer there, at least the normal reaction is let's just fire the CISO, you know? Absolutely.

Or Kristen, I mean, the easy answer there, at least the normal reaction is let's just fire the CISO, you know? Absolutely.

So Kristen, are you setting up the next podcast? Because we ran a field exercise recently in Pennsylvania that is pretty much word for word what you described. There were two identical companies, agribusinesses. They both got hit almost on the same day, the same ransomware, same actors. One paid ransom, one didn't. And we were able to do 18 months later postmortem on what that was.

So Kristen, are you setting up the next podcast? Because we ran a field exercise recently in Pennsylvania that is pretty much word for word what you described. There were two identical companies, agribusinesses. They both got hit almost on the same day, the same ransomware, same actors. One paid ransom, one didn't. And we were able to do 18 months later postmortem on what that was.

And it is amazing. We haven't released a white paper yet, but that was part of the volunteer work I do for the Bio-ISAC.

And it is amazing. We haven't released a white paper yet, but that was part of the volunteer work I do for the Bio-ISAC.

Well, it echoes what you said. The CEO, they didn't even think that this was anything other than why us. It was emotional. It was tears. It was employee tears. So they felt personally attacked. They didn't even think about law enforcement or anything. They just wanted to get everything cleaned up and get their systems online. It was a significant financial hit, a significant timeout.

Well, it echoes what you said. The CEO, they didn't even think that this was anything other than why us. It was emotional. It was tears. It was employee tears. So they felt personally attacked. They didn't even think about law enforcement or anything. They just wanted to get everything cleaned up and get their systems online. It was a significant financial hit, a significant timeout.

time hit and they are a major player in the country for the sector they serve, as was their competitor. So yeah, affirmation to what you just said.

time hit and they are a major player in the country for the sector they serve, as was their competitor. So yeah, affirmation to what you just said.