Andrew Rose (US)
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first heard Jun 2024
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We ran through the what if. What if the computers go down? What if there is an attack here? And Andrew, to your point, paper was the way that things are going to move around. The issue was there was no more paper because everything had been transferred to digital. And the people that knew how to use paper have either all retired or almost are retiring.
so there was the human element of how do we move things as well as the the physical how do we record things as they're moving down the chain here we are going to meet in fargo on june 11th and part of that conversation is two years later where are we you know has have things been solved is there more communication between competitors we are bringing in the association heads as well so it's not just the companies it's the we won't call it oversight but the group that keeps them together and i think sometimes it's better to have them say hey this entire sector needs to function the way it should
And the other piece, Andrew, I'm going to talk about is the integrity of data. You mentioned that part there, too. This is public. Back when COVID hit and we were racing to get vaccines done, there was a cybersecurity incident with the calibration of the thermometers. And much of the vaccine was lost because of that attack. And it was an integrity of data.
The data readout looked good, but it wasn't. And it was done in such a way, in such a minor way, that would have been missed. And that's just another issue that, you know, Andrew, going back to the integrity of data is...
Critical critic is otherwise, you know, if you're reading your screen or you're going to print a report, everything looks good and you can't figure out why things aren't matching up or correlated. And the last piece, too, and this is what I'm really excited about, is the social engineering piece of it.
You know, again, we spend so much money on blue team, red team, pen testing and all this stuff, which, yeah, you should patch your stuff. Things should be updated. There should be somebody watching over all your credentials. But social engineering, especially AI and enable social engineering is it's here.
I mean, we were warning about it 18 months ago, but now it's here full force and we are not prepared. I mean, the tsunami came in and we were still sitting on the beach with our lawn chairs.
Number one, you touched on is awareness. When you look at Maslow's hierarchy, I've been involved in this for eight years, and I can state with a fact that food, agriculture and water fight for last place in terms of resources from our government for protection. Yet absent water, you live three days. Absent food, you live for about three weeks.
You know, if your Internet goes down, the life's going to suck. But, you know, we got by in the 80s and it worked out right for us. You know, yeah, you take, and I mentioned this at a high level briefing, you know, if we go five days without food, you're going to break a law if your kid's hungry. And three weeks without food, that's the end of the government.
I know some other people have a slightly shorter timeline than that, but I think I give our government three weeks without food before everything falls off. And back to the initial question that you asked, I think the real issue is that we generally, as a species, take our food for granted.
That the availability, at least in the first world, maybe the second world, we just go to the store and get it. There's a complete disconnect of all the different pieces that it takes to get it from the farm to your plate and all the intermediary steps in there. And if you just take that for granted and you remove the foundational piece, there's going to be we're on demand.
You know, this is there's not like there is a warehouse full of bread that's going to be shipped if you're unable to produce more to go with that. And then and just
From the existential risk, you know, we talked about bugs and other things that, I mean, the one that really took us by surprise was the solar flare knocking out all the GPS systems, all the John Deere tractors in Canada right before planting.
You know, you get a short window for planting, you disrupt that, and all of a sudden, if you lose a crop, you can't plant it tomorrow and hope that it comes back in a day or two. I mean, it's like trying to raise a teenager. It's going to take 18 years to get that person to adulthood.
You do. Agronomy is so advanced right now that we are planting seeds at depths. within millimeter calibrations, spacings of the same. These plants are engineered to grow at a certain rate. Their leaves will shade out the weeds. Their spacing, everything is down to the nth degree. And that's not even taking into account the soil moisture, any kind of inputs that need to be done like that.
But it's incredibly precise. And if you think about all the money being poured into ag technology, it's all about that data. The more granular you can get on that data, you did mention data and data is a huge concern. Obviously, we're mutual friends with Pablo.
And I love Pablo's idea of creating an ag data lake that some sort of oversight will administer and can then take parts of that data, share it with somebody, but make sure that the farmer gets some sort of reimbursement for that data. Because there's so much that's being put on farmers these days. I mean, forget about environmental regulations.
I was at an event recently, a very large event, and someone made the suggestion that we should blame farmers if there's a cybersecurity attack on They're far. No. Exactly. And I said, I stood on stage. I said, no, stop. Do not even go down that line of things.
One question I do have for the two of you. So Kristen, what's the longest you've gone without food for?
My record was five days. And I did it as a dare because a friend of mine told me he did 10. And I thought that I could maybe do 10 too. I got to five days and it was so painful. I mean, physically painful. It felt like there was somebody inside my stomach with razor blades just slashing at me night and day. You couldn't sleep with that kind of pain.
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