Andrew Ross Sorkin

This is Andrew Ross Sorkin, the founder of Dealbook.

Every year, I interview some of the world's most influential leaders across politics, culture, and business at the Dealbook Summit, a live event in New York City.

On this year's podcast, you'll hear my unfiltered conversations with Gavin Newsom, the CEO of Palantir and Anthropic, and Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk.

Listen to Dealbook Summit wherever you get your podcasts.

Michael, it is my pleasure and it is a privilege to be with you. And I have slept two nights back at home in the United States, so I am completely rested and ready.

Michael, it is my pleasure and it is a privilege to be with you. And I have slept two nights back at home in the United States, so I am completely rested and ready.

Well, so like a number of people in journalism, I have known J.D. Vance, the vice president, since long before he became the vice president, all the way back to when he was just a humble bestselling author and occasional contributor to The New York Times opinion pages. Right.

Well, so like a number of people in journalism, I have known J.D. Vance, the vice president, since long before he became the vice president, all the way back to when he was just a humble bestselling author and occasional contributor to The New York Times opinion pages. Right.

And through that connection, I convinced him to grant me an extended interview just before he became Donald Trump's vice presidential nominee. And then a couple of months ago, I launched my own new interview podcast. And of course, I came back to him and said, hey, now I'm interviewing people all the time. Wouldn't you like to be interviewed again? Right.

And through that connection, I convinced him to grant me an extended interview just before he became Donald Trump's vice presidential nominee. And then a couple of months ago, I launched my own new interview podcast. And of course, I came back to him and said, hey, now I'm interviewing people all the time. Wouldn't you like to be interviewed again? Right.

And he very graciously suggested that maybe I would like to come to Rome, where he was leading the U.S. delegation to the inaugural mass of Pope Leo XIV, who is, of course, the first American pope. And he basically said, why don't you come to Rome and you can interview me there?

And he very graciously suggested that maybe I would like to come to Rome, where he was leading the U.S. delegation to the inaugural mass of Pope Leo XIV, who is, of course, the first American pope. And he basically said, why don't you come to Rome and you can interview me there?

Yes, it was quite a thing, actually, to be able to attend the Inaugural Mass. The vice president then had a private audience with Pope Leo himself and then came directly from that to our interview.

Yes, it was quite a thing, actually, to be able to attend the Inaugural Mass. The vice president then had a private audience with Pope Leo himself and then came directly from that to our interview.

How are you? And we have set up shop inside the American embassy to the Vatican in, you know, a kind of ornate space and room. My goal is to actually give you more than an hour or so. Okay. We'll just go until this conversation becomes boring. Right. Until I say something really stupid. Until we hit the UFOs and then you'll beat a hasty retreat. Yeah.

How are you? And we have set up shop inside the American embassy to the Vatican in, you know, a kind of ornate space and room. My goal is to actually give you more than an hour or so. Okay. We'll just go until this conversation becomes boring. Right. Until I say something really stupid. Until we hit the UFOs and then you'll beat a hasty retreat. Yeah.

Well, the ultimate goal for the conversation is to get a frank assessment from the vice president of what the administration is actually trying to do on some of its most controversial policies, most notably immigration and trade, what the endgame is, what the actual metrics for success are, and so on. But the way into that discussion...

Well, the ultimate goal for the conversation is to get a frank assessment from the vice president of what the administration is actually trying to do on some of its most controversial policies, most notably immigration and trade, what the endgame is, what the actual metrics for success are, and so on. But the way into that discussion...

starts with the place where we are and what's just happened the inauguration of a new pope and the fact that jd vance is like myself a convert to catholicism and there is this striking tension between where the vatican the catholic bishops the last pope probably the new pope tend to stand on immigration and trump administration policy

starts with the place where we are and what's just happened the inauguration of a new pope and the fact that jd vance is like myself a convert to catholicism and there is this striking tension between where the vatican the catholic bishops the last pope probably the new pope tend to stand on immigration and trump administration policy