Andrew Ross Sorkin

It does not respect international waters. It has territorial disputes with Japan. And if we don't play a role in containing China, then China will revise the balance of power in East Asia in a major way. And I think that would have, I think, profound consequences for the United States.

It does not respect international waters. It has territorial disputes with Japan. And if we don't play a role in containing China, then China will revise the balance of power in East Asia in a major way. And I think that would have, I think, profound consequences for the United States.

The United States is not going to be thrown off a roof by Russia. And that's the level at which we should think about these things. If you look at Russia's behavior, Russia actually is not a revisionist great power. What it wants is just security on its borders.

The United States is not going to be thrown off a roof by Russia. And that's the level at which we should think about these things. If you look at Russia's behavior, Russia actually is not a revisionist great power. What it wants is just security on its borders.

The revisionist power actually in Europe over the past 25 years was the United States because we pushed NATO right up to Russia's borders. despite the promises that were made to Gorbachev in the 90s. So we're the ones who've revised the balance of power in a way that was profoundly threatening to the Russians.

The revisionist power actually in Europe over the past 25 years was the United States because we pushed NATO right up to Russia's borders. despite the promises that were made to Gorbachev in the 90s. So we're the ones who've revised the balance of power in a way that was profoundly threatening to the Russians.

And I think it would be far better from the American standpoint to just work out a security architecture for Europe with Russia that gives the Russians the security they crave on the Western border and gives Europe the security it craves. And I think if we had had that mentality, as opposed to this highly moralistic mentality where we basically want to spread American-style democracy everywhere?

And I think it would be far better from the American standpoint to just work out a security architecture for Europe with Russia that gives the Russians the security they crave on the Western border and gives Europe the security it craves. And I think if we had had that mentality, as opposed to this highly moralistic mentality where we basically want to spread American-style democracy everywhere?

Right, two trillion.

Right, two trillion.

And look, just to be clear, I mean, I thank my lucky stars that I'm an American and we do have the type of government we have here. And my parents emigrated to the United States in 1977 for political reasons because we have the type of government we have here. So look, I'm a strong believer in American-style democracy. The problem is our efforts to

And look, just to be clear, I mean, I thank my lucky stars that I'm an American and we do have the type of government we have here. And my parents emigrated to the United States in 1977 for political reasons because we have the type of government we have here. So look, I'm a strong believer in American-style democracy. The problem is our efforts to

promote it or impose that style of government through regime change operations simply has not worked. I mean, this should be one of the big learnings of American foreign policy over the past 30 years. All I'm suggesting is I think it's better to model it, right? It's better to- Yeah, so how do you model it?

promote it or impose that style of government through regime change operations simply has not worked. I mean, this should be one of the big learnings of American foreign policy over the past 30 years. All I'm suggesting is I think it's better to model it, right? It's better to- Yeah, so how do you model it?

I think you model it by being the shining city on the hill, by setting a good example, by focusing on our own country and making America the best it can be so that people all over the world look to us and say, oh, we want to do that. And I actually think that what I'm describing is an American soft power. If you go back to the 1980s, we had that soft power.

I think you model it by being the shining city on the hill, by setting a good example, by focusing on our own country and making America the best it can be so that people all over the world look to us and say, oh, we want to do that. And I actually think that what I'm describing is an American soft power. If you go back to the 1980s, we had that soft power.

I mean, the people of places like in Russia, they love buying American blue jeans and American music. And we had that soft power. We were inspiring to the world, but it all changed. I'd say starting in the 90s, but then really in the 2000s, when we started Going into these countries with our militaries and occupying all these countries, we soured them on America. We made them hate us.

I mean, the people of places like in Russia, they love buying American blue jeans and American music. And we had that soft power. We were inspiring to the world, but it all changed. I'd say starting in the 90s, but then really in the 2000s, when we started Going into these countries with our militaries and occupying all these countries, we soured them on America. We made them hate us.

And this is the problem with this hyper interventionism is what we should be doing is setting an example, not trying to occupy these countries. Let me read something to you.

And this is the problem with this hyper interventionism is what we should be doing is setting an example, not trying to occupy these countries. Let me read something to you.