Andrew Ross Sorkin

I mean, I think one of the reasons they don't speak out

um is because they're scared and privately they will tell you i am scared again this goes back to it almost doesn't matter how much money you have in your bank account or what's on your business card emotionally you're still you're still in that that scared place and that's terrible and that's the case and a generosity to them though perhaps unearned they are responsible for people's jobs they're responsible they have they have real responsibilities so i think that they think about that right

I think they think, and maybe they'll be wrong about this, that if in fact there's sort of a red line moment, and the question is what is that red line moment, that there's gonna be some button that they're gonna push

that they would push the button if this sort of red line moment happens.

Now, there's obviously a lot of people, I imagine, who are listening to us now saying, hasn't the red line moment already happened?

Or if you think the red line moment is coming, don't you need to get in front of it before you ever get there?

Because by the time you get to that line, you won't even have an opportunity to touch the button because you'll be so far away from it because somehow you'll be in this sort of terrible place.

I don't know the answer.

And I think this is what everybody in the business community who does have these worries is grappling with.

I think they're sitting there saying, I know there's a red line at some point.

I don't know if we've gone over it.

I don't know when we're going to get there.

And I don't know when we get there, what we're going to do about it.

Yeah.

Well, it's hard, right?

I was at a meeting recently with a number of business leaders where

A bunch of people said, you know what, we should write down right now what the red line is so that the line doesn't move.

By the way, I think it would be very valuable for business leaders today to write down on a piece of paper, have a plan.

If you think there's going to be a day you're going to raise your hand and say, I don't like this and we've got a problem, write down what are the parameters and the metrics with which you would actually do that.

Because what keeps happening is the line that you thought nobody would cross seems to get crossed almost every day.