Chapter 1: What music trends defined 2025?
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I'm Gilbert Cruz. This is the Sunday Special. For the last few episodes of 2025, we're looking back on the year and culture. Today, we're talking about music. There were so many albums and songs released throughout the year. We're going to talk about some of the biggest and best with two people who are immersed in music pretty much every single day.
Karen Ganz is the pop music editor here at The Times. Hello, Karen. Hello, Gilbert. And Lindsay Zoladz is a pop music critic here. Hello, Lindsay. Welcome back to the show.
Thanks for having me back.
So to kick things off, I'm going to start a sentence and you're going to complete it. Okay. So for music, 2025 was blank. Fill in the blank.
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Chapter 2: How did Bad Bunny's album impact the music scene?
It was a bummer year for me, Gilbert. Honestly, it really was.
I know.
I'm sorry. We're starting off on a sour note.
Things are going uphill.
The rocket ship takes off after I finish this initial answer. I was making my own best of list. And I was like, I have had the hardest time this year. I think the hardest time ever. And I'm going to say 25 years of professional list making.
Oh, my God.
Because last year, it was like Billie Eilish and Beyonce. The year before that, it was Olivia Rodrigo and 100 Gags. There were just these obvious giant things that had such a strong impact on me. And when I was making my list this year, I was like, uh-oh. So to me, overall, there were a lot of records I was expecting to be great. They were a little lesser than I anticipated.
I'm going to say Year of Disappointment.
I'll take the flip side of that. I'll try to spin it more optimistically. Thank you. Just so we're not stuck in the mud here. Everyone's going to get mad at me. No, but I don't think you're wrong. I think in terms of the mainstream, it was a very stagnant year. And I think some of the biggest blockbusters of the year, you know, were huge in a commercial sense, but I found lacking artistically.
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Chapter 3: What makes Lady Gaga's latest album stand out?
I just don't understand his voice at all. I think he could be in like the Riverbottom Rock Band. I don't know. There's something about his voice.
I think that's a compliment.
It's a little yowling. You know, there's a yowl.
There's a lot of yowl.
Yeah, it's yowl forward. It is. The thing is, I hated this album the first couple times I listened to it. And I put it on five times this weekend. And it might actually be like I just need to dunk my head into the bucket. Because the more I listened to it, the more I was okay with it. And then maybe the more even I started to like it.
I don't know that I will ever appreciate his voice, which is his God-given voice. All respect to his voice. But there is a hurdle. There is a hurdle to this. Sure. It is slightly, it's like Kermit Cilantro is what it is.
I would like to see that Muppet, actually. The Cameron Winter Muppet? Yeah, yeah.
He's definitely going to be on Sesame Street at some point, right?
I don't know. I think that would disturb the children.
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Chapter 4: What are the highlights of Justin Bieber's recent work?
I'm going to give you a quote from a viral video from this year, and you tell me who said that quote. Okay. Either they're having an affair or they're just really shy.
Okay.
Karen. Chris Martin. Chris Martin. That is correct. That was from Coldplay Gate back in July.
Next question.
So you are going to jail, unfortunately, for being too beautiful. Lindsay.
Sabrina Carpenter.
Sabrina Carpenter, that is correct.
So you are going to jail, unfortunately, for being too beautiful, but I'm going to serenade you with this song.
Sabrina arrested an audience member, often somebody famous, at each of the shows on her short and sweet tour. Next. One, two, three, take up space. One, two, three, take up space. Okay, that's Katy Perry in space.
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Chapter 5: How did new artists like Chapel Roan and Sabrina Carpenter perform in 2025?
Oh, my God, this song's so lit. Let's go red. Gang, gang, gang, gang, gang. Hotty, hotty, like a bag of talkies. I'm the shit. I'm the shit.
Lindsay's OLEDs.
Okay. We got Sports Car by Tate McRae. Correct. We got Gnarly by Cat's Eye. Correct. And then I'll allow Karen. I was going for Gnarly.
Okay, you got two of three.
That was really good. Oh, what was the third?
Folded by Kalani.
Ah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, we all knew that one. Okay, we have one more. The hardest one, apparently. Well, welcome to the Gilbert Cruz. I'm special, special, special.
Tell me who I am. Talk about you with my tone of innocence. Can I ask a question?
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