Andrew Russell

And I don't mean, I mean, early wins is obviously, you know, winning games of football, but early wins and the way they go about it is really, really important with change.

You don't get those early wins...

And then demotivation will really, really kick in.

No, that's right.

But everyone in football knows there's a certain way that you win or lose.

And I know the supporters don't care about that.

But within the walls, people do care about that.

And the players care about that.

And the football department, you know.

And you can remove yourself from the world amazingly in a football club.

As in a lot of people I've spoken to at Carlton, they're sort of aware of what's going on the outside, but they just completely block it out.

It is amazing human beings can block out pressure if they choose to and go into a different world.

And I think a lot of people start to reflect and look inward.

When we go through periods of change, it's like, well, what's my role in this?

And how can I make this organization better?

So they're the positives.

Was I responsible?

Yeah.

Was I part of it?

And they won't tell anyone else necessarily, but inside we know whether we're part of it.