Andrew Russell

And then the negative side of it, the uncertainty, some people will be questioning the organization's direction.

Did they make the right call, the wrong call?

Self-preservation is a huge one.

You question your own security.

Will I be here?

How long will I be here?

Do they rate me?

Energy can be really challenged because there'll be lots of reviews.

There'll be lots of reflection.

There'll be lots of questions.

What was your role in this?

I imagine the leaders will be pushing buttons everywhere and asking those questions.

So that can be really... And there'll be people really loyal to Lossie and the people around him saying... That's the one I wanted to get to.

Saying, I don't know about this.

I'm not happy at the way that he was treated.

Well, that will probably decide their future because I think you manage yourself in or you manage yourself out of an organisation.

Look, he was there before, you know, Vossie came on board.

So they had a good relationship.

Right.

I don't know how tight they were, but they had, you know.