Andrew Sage

So then the question is, what will this Nobel do?

I think that one calculation is that it'll simply keep her alive.

You know, it'll be much harder for the Maduro government to kill her if, you know, if they would be killing a Nobel laureate.

So that may buy her a little bit more time.

I was trying to best them on the first one to kill a Nobel laureate, I guess.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

But, you know, will it bring peace?

I'm not so sure, because Mary Gordon Machado has also been very closely allied and supportive of the Trump administration.

And her side of the opposition has been encouraging the military strikes, backing sanctions, even though the sanctions both have done nothing to dislodge Maduro and also contribute to a great deal of suffering for the Venezuelan people.

And I have to say, look, I'm not Venezuelan.

I have no right to give the Venezuelan opposition advice.

I would say that if they have tried multiple elections, you know, at least two of which have been stolen, if they have tried, you know, I'd say more democratic means and nothing has happened, I can understand why many people would think that a more radical approach is the only option left on the table.

However, that approach hasn't done anything good.

either.

You know, sanctions have not dislodged Majuro.

Blowing up boats of possible drug traffickers, maybe just fishermen, has not done anything.

I think that nothing appears likely to lead to regime change, but I can understand the desperation of people living under what is broadly acknowledged to be an extremely repressive regime.

Yeah.