Andrew Sage

And just the grinding poverty of everyday life in Venezuela is so like, I've heard so many stories from so many people have such a difficult existence there.

I can, I can understand people's desperation.

Andrew, you and I had spoken about the gulf between the government of Trinidad and Tobago and the people of Trinidad and Tobago right now.

And obviously the same is true in Venezuela, right?

It's not the opposition figures living in Spain who suffer when we have these sanctions, right?

It's not opposition candidates who get blown up when they go fishing.

It's regular working class Venezuelan people.

So do you want to talk about...

I'm not even sure what we can do by way of solidarity with either of these nations, but maybe you have some thoughts on that.

I'm honestly at something of a loss myself.

Speaking from a small island, I think the US's superpower status is enormous.

Almost akin to an eldritch horror.

It feels like it's unfathomable how you could even go about approaching that at times.

You know, I try to remind myself that people have fought and won.

You know, people have resisted and won.

You know, currently there isn't that much going on.

There are murmurs.

There are murmurs of fear, of disdain, of disagreement, of distrust.

In terms of grassroots efforts, there's a lot still to be done.

The leader of the Move On for Social Justice, which is a small progressive political party in Turan, Tobago.