Andrew Sage

Yeah.

And also, the most wild part about this I don't even think is that.

It's that this guy was in Blackwater.

So technically it's Constellus, but he calls it Blackwater.

Yeah, that's the other scandal.

Please, let's...

He deployed to Afghanistan for Blackwater in 2018.

That was the first Trump administration.

No one at any point in this process went, hold on, wait, this guy went to fight in Afghanistan, like, in 2018?

Like, they prosecuted the guys from... Nisar Square, yeah.

the Nassau Square Massacre yeah after the square like those people got prosecuted four years before that and he joined Blackwater in 2018 and to be clear because this is something James brought up when we talked about this in our chat previously he didn't technically join Blackwater because Blackwater has changed its name and I think merged with a couple of countries it was a different name but to be fair to me he called it Blackwater he said I worked for Blackwater

There's a way in which, like, I'm okay with people fucking up if they acknowledge they fucked up, right?

Like, I'm okay with him saying, I did this, and it was wrong, so I left, and I regret doing it.

I mean, that is what he's saying, though.

It was specifically after this deployment that this is where he says that, like, this marked his, like, political, quote-unquote, radicalization, or, like, during the path of, like, how he viewed his life in politics, specifically was negative experiences during this deployment.

Yeah, yeah.

I guess that is something I have really complicated opinions on, because I'm not, and I really have a lot of issues with folks on the left who are like, anyone who was ever in the military is forever evil.

Yeah, baby killer.

I think that's deeply, deeply unserious and incredibly counterproductive.

And I don't... I think that, like, it's good that someone can do something as fucked up as join Blackwater and realize that they did a horrible thing and change.