Andrew Warner

And those conversations just ran so long, I couldn't get off the phone with them.

And that's why I was a little bit late.

Well, a lot of actually every single one of them said, don't bring up my name.

And the reason is some people are afraid.

A lot of people are afraid of you, Nathan, to be honest, because you've ripped into some people on Facebook.

Haven't you?

Um...

the founder of Social Media Examiner.

And so, what was the problem with Michael then?

At least give me the recognition.

And so how did that turn into an argument?

You love that people will get a rise out of some of the things you said.

You love the hate.

You love the love.

You love the whole thing.

I also feel like you're creating this persona for yourself right now of like a shock jock Donald Trump like entrepreneur who's going to be in people's faces, who's also going to speak the truth as you see it and not going to be.

I was going to say not afraid to ruffle feathers, but it's more like not afraid to poke people in the eye a little bit.

It's people, so my point is- But so you want to call them out on it, but you're also calling out some good people.

You're calling out some people who've created software.

So here's, you mentioned your numbers.