Andrew

And one of the issues here, and you're talking about this with the information control, is once you get into this situation where a really, really small number of people, like we're talking maybe 30 people, and then the executive committee is even smaller than that, are the ones who are... One of the things that happens in the later part of this is...

So J.C.

Tretter, who's like the guy behind the scenes for like the executive, the search for like the executive director, the guy who like completely, truly was like the most hideous guy I've ever had running this union.

He changed the process so that it was completely confidential to the point where the 32 guys on the board who were supposed to be voting for the executive director didn't know the names of the candidates until they walked into the meeting.

Right.

What the fuck?

And to me, like that point is like so crucial because that's where I shift from.

Oh, it's not that you guys don't care about this.

Like,

they don't know what's going on.

Yeah.

It's being hidden from them.

They can't know.

They can't know.

And, and I will say like part of what makes this difficult, if you are someone in there who does care and wants to, wants to fix things is there's, there's just the truth that like, even the bottom rung players are comfortably living like off of their salaries.

So when you start to get to guys who are veterans, like,

Man, even if you don't take the best deal, shit, I'm still making $15 million a year.

Ultimately, I'm still good.

And that's what is hard to get people galvanized about this sometimes.

But I think that that part about players not caring has kind of been overrepresented a little bit because I think if you're paying attention now, there's so much murkiness.