Andrew

Now it's getting to the part where it's kind of murky on what's happening.

Because obviously, if you're in a union, and my coworkers, they've dealt with J.C.

Tratter.

I've seen him speak before.

If you're in a union, obviously, you don't want too many people outside of the union to know what's going on.

It's just not...

good from a standpoint of like leverage and power, but JC Treader, like he plays off of that by keeping everything a secret, you know?

Yeah.

Which is a terrible idea.

It's a terrible idea.

Like, yeah, well, it's good for him.

Right, right, right.

Maybe you don't want to tell me, a reporter, what's going on, but you should tell the other people within your union what's going on.

So when you see a lack of information about, or any information about what's going on with these elections, it's because no one's being told what's going on with these elections.

And that's how you end up with Lloyd Howell, which is just... Oh, God.

Okay, okay.

Let's talk about Lloyd Howell, who is...

oh my god yeah one of the worst people to run a union i have ever seen yes but it's purposefully bad you know like yeah the lloyd howell like secret election like it's not i'm not even about to say like i was you know somewhat somewhat of a secret no a secretive election basically to get yeah lloyd howell hired what what are you somewhere for booze allen man

Right.

But, like, his background was in busting unions.