Andrew

Uh-huh.

Right, that's his background.

Yeah.

But this is where you get, like, a look at the ideology of someone like J.C.

Treader, who also studied labor unions in college.

That's where he got his degree in labor relations and labor arrangement from Harvard.

Yep.

Yeah.

You're not doing the labor relations degree to like be in a union.

Like the people who like organize for unions are like fucking grad students who, you know, have like a, I don't know, like they have some random degree and then they were like, fuck it, I organized my grad student union.

I'm going to go organize my field.

This is not what you go into that for.

You go into this to do union busting.

Yeah, so J.C.

Treader and, you know, the people around him, they viewed that experience from Lloyd Howell, like, busting unions as a positive.

Yeah.

Because, you know, there's this train of thought, like, oh, well, you know, well, if we know someone who knows how to destroy us, if we hire them, surely they will change their ways and they will start to help us.

Like, we're going to get inside knowledge on how to bust a union, so maybe we could weaponize that.

Yeah.

and turn it back the other way.