André Duqum

Joe Hudson, welcome back.

Hey, good to be here.

Thanks for having me.

Of course, man.

It's my pleasure.

I always love anytime I see you pop up on my feed or my schedule, my calendar, it's a big joy.

I loved our last conversation, the ones that followed after, and I'm so excited for this one.

People have seen you online with, you know, founding the Art of Accomplishment, know that you are the executive coach for some of the world's biggest leaders, and I'm

I think that becomes possible when one's able to effectively lead themself

And where I want to start today is a lot of people are familiar with the conversations we've had on the waking up journey.

And we talked about a bit how on last time, it's not the same thing as growing up and the emotional work.

And you have a quote, which is, peace is not joy.

They're completely different animals.

And I want to start there and lay the foundation on how they're two different things, complementary, but not equal.

So could you elaborate on that?

Yeah, I think for many of us that get into mindfulness or meditation, we primarily, and I think I did early on, like identify awakening of loosening the identification with thoughts as like that's what awakening is.

Right.

Come to find out later on that journey that there's still a feeling of freedom that's lacking within one's experience.

Yeah.

It sounds like the gut awakening has to do with safety, nervous system regulation, the heart more with like feeling your feelings and the head more with the identification with thoughts or seeing the illusory nature of it.