André Duqum

Yeah, yeah.

And I mean, the physical and the quote-unquote spiritual, I think, coincide quite nicely.

Because for me, I've just seen direction is way more important than speed.

So by seeing clearly what it is I want, what wants to come through me, is the direction that's going to be serving this planet and this community the most, then from that point, I can make decisions from a place of clarity instead of shoulds.

I love that.

I should do X, Y, and Z numbers because...

Everyone, like I, there's just a chart.

And once you're on a chart, you want to be better on the chart.

You know, it's like, it's sort of goals devoid of anything that's really like going to be really meaningful.

increasingly more, I think that's the trick, at least for me.

It's cool to see how business is this unique mirror and very much so like a spiritual path, I feel like, because like you mentioned how you had this belief of

money's the root of all evil, like rich people are, if you're going to have any level of fame, notoriety, or wealth, you're kind of destined to be a shitty person because it's so prevalent in maybe what you were seeing.

But like actually viewing business and cultivating a team and an environment as the many opportunities they are to like put into the, put into practice the values that you say you, you know, are true and aligned for you is cool.

And so,

It seems like that's been a constant theme for you as you've been growing Mary Ruth and

How do you, when people come to you and they want to create an abundant reality, not just from the financial perspective, but from a sense of wholeness where you can see that reflection in all areas of life and they feel they have these intuitive hits, these desires for what they want to create.

What is your perspective on the place that desire holds in our life?

Because I think traditionally it's seen as something from like a lot of the contemplative or spiritual practices is something to be transcended instead of

honored, you know?

Yeah, it almost feels like