André Duqum

Pantheistic kind of conceptions of God not being two separate things, you know, all the natural world and human beings.

I'm curious, do you view all life around you as God or as created by God or the same thing?

Is it semantic?

What you referred to about kind of on some level admitting your own ignorance.

I read this book recently, The Unknown Craftsman.

It's a Japanese insight into beauty.

Oh, nice.

I haven't read it.

I have to understand this.

Yeah, it's great.

Tell me more.

There is one Arabian saying, which it quotes, if a man knows and knows not that he knows, shun him.

If a man knows and knows that he...

knows not awaken him if a man knows and knows that he knows follow him uh and it's it's a beautiful kind of zen and buddhist kind of take on the knowledge of ignorance like knowing that you don't know is this is a starting point socrates idea that wisdom is is a true recognition understanding of your own lack of wisdom

We've turned into Blue's Clues or Seneca.

Death lies heavily on him who, though to all the world well known, is a stranger to himself alone.

It sounds like there's, from the context of this whole conversation, been a few very important aspects to be able to know yourself and discover your calling from these yearly spiritual retreats to the sacred time in the morning where you're not being stimulated by the outside world.

Who do you believe you fundamentally are?

I disagree.

Both now and earlier when you were speaking of your wife, there was this emotion bursting through your eyes and your being.