André Duqum

Yeah.

Say that.

Say more.

gradients but like yeah in general like when people really get it and there's a big moment it's like that feels like everyone's on exactly on the same page no matter what they think or what they believe in and it's it's beautiful it seems like because that's the case you can say things through comedy you otherwise can't often you know and how it like laughter as the way you're describing it like it kind of cracks the character our ideological identities and whatnot um

I'm just curious your thoughts on like your journey over the years, being able to, and throughout like just the capacity comedy has to be able to see those insights and kind of push at the boundaries of people's identities.

Yeah.

I'm curious to hear more of your thoughts, Ron.

absurdity realizing the absurdity of like the human experience uh it feels like either through contemplation meditation psychedelic experience lived experience you kind of see the inherent paradoxical nature of life like you're speaking to and one but can only laugh and it also like and i feel like

The more you realize how there are always many sides to one thing, like the more loosely I feel like I personally hold all things.

Yes.

Which I think allows you to approach things with like being able to connect to them instead of through your ideas of them in a sense.

Yeah.

What is the difference for you for the insight that's gained through self-reflection and how you can know yourself through that versus creation?

Because you're a multi-talented artist that feels like going to so many different arenas of human expression and super inspiring and incredible.

And you're also somebody who I know likes to question reality and contemplate the nature of existence.

So I'm just curious about your thoughts on the interplay between the two.

I'm curious how, cause you're, it's probably one of the highest compliments to say you're very hard to put in a box or define as like what you do because it's like far reaching and to so many different arenas.

But how do you describe not just what you do, but like what lights you up most in life and what you found yourself being drawn towards over the past few decades?

I mean, you know, for me, it's,

Yeah, I love the quote from Alan Watts that says, the secret of life is to be completely engaged with what you're doing.