André Duqum

you know, Jung is quoted, I believe, if until you make the unconscious conscious, it'll rule your life and you'll call it fate.

Right.

And it can be a painful realization to see the trajectory that our life was set out for before we were even able to consciously make that decision.

Now, when we're speaking about the unconscious and sort of the internal motives that are beneath our conscious level of awareness of having the ability to really articulate why we do what we do, we just feel this pull towards different things.

How much of that is shaped

before we even have conscious memory of it, you know, before the age of seven, how much in your experience has identity really formed in that early childhood state?

That word that you use, which is compassionate curiosity, I think is really important.

I think it's quite easy to look back into our past and the experiences that shaped us with a lot of shame, guilt, fear, regret, remorse.

Do you want to speak a little bit more into that?

How that curiosity, it leaves the door open in a little bit of a sense where we're not so sure about what we make of the experiences.

That openness allows us to be able to work with it more closely and intimately.

Would you say that's the core mission of your work is just like that belief that change is possible?

How would you articulate your mission these days?

Yeah.

And as a clinician, your role in those settings is to really be able to effectively assess the state of one's mental health.

How would you articulate what

the constitution or components of a healthy self, like an individuated healthy self versus...

a self that's maybe less so healthy, what are the qualities that that person or that mind would imbibe?

Could you, like, zoom in on someone's personal experience?

So the assertion drive and the pleasure drive, what are those, for anybody who's listening right now, that they could identify a behavior in their life that are being stemmed from those two?