André Duqum

Yeah, I think for most people, the line between psychonautic self-inquiry and dependence on heightened state of experiences can be very blurry.

I do push back on the notion that it's kind of all the same shit.

I understand that there's multiple ways to have a transpersonal experience, but what comes alongside each experience does differ, whether it's an exogenous chemical or through a holotropic breathwork.

There's a different physiological...

cascade of hormones and chemicals that change after the experience alongside the experience um and i think a helpful framework for me was ken wilber's like breakdown of the states of consciousness versus the stages of consciousness like the stage of consciousness is kind of what we are are at like that's our homeostasis which slowly raises over time as we grow ideally um

the state can come through any stage, through an exogenous chemical, through a holotropic breathwork or meditative journey, or through a big surfing a big way or whatever, you know, the flow state experiences.

So yeah, I definitely do have, I think it is important to know that there is a big distinction between them all.

And it can be very easy.

Well, there's a lot of way.

What's different about it?

Well, I mean, pick any two things.

There's, so, I mean, I think there are,

depending on what experience or example, what drug you're taking is different in the quality of the experience.

So disassociative is obviously going to be a lot different than a heart opener, you know?

For sure.

I think many different things can give you what you're referring to as this similar thing is like experience of your true self, like a lack of self-consciousness, a state and sense of freedom.

I think they all can have different textures to them.

But the comedown and the aftermath and the integration of psychedelic experiences do differ from

no difference whatsoever unless we're comparing it to hardened reality structural rules of perception and that's different i'm curious what you've sort of brought back down to earth with you from these experiences and how you carry out your day-to-day life like what have you learned

about how often we try to control reality and the anxiety-producing effects of that.