André Duqum

You know, it's something we talk about quite a bit because I think it's really important to have a holistic understanding of what awakening means, right?

And under just the meditative contemplative lens, we can wake up beyond the idea of being identified with our thoughts and emotions.

We can have these more formless jhana state experiences.

And it doesn't fix... In some ways, it can make it even...

harder to take seriously these like characterological stuff yeah um i think it makes it easier to work with because we're less reactive to them in your case it made space for that to come to the surface right yes but any other thoughts you have there on the importance between the two and how they're both essential but uh they don't necessarily solve one another yeah i think it's really important to state like you because i think um you know in a therapeutic context um

It's so fascinating once you start to see this all around you, but primarily in yourself, like the motivating forces for ambition, even spirituality, which can be a big one for a lot of people.

I know parts, it perhaps was for me as well, where...

the path of meditation or just the seeking of solace in any form can be driven from this place of dysregulation.

And so could you set the framework for how that emotional home base is created in childhood?

Yeah, I love that you're in many ways, you're a harbinger of good news because it's like, it's not that something's wrong with you that you're broken and now you're that way, but rather there are all these tools for you to be able to connect to that place, regulate yourself and take control of your path in a sense that, and largely we were living unconscious before, but why does somebody become avoidant versus anxious and so on?

So that's avoided.

How much would you say, and it's probably really hard to give an accurate percentage, but like of people that are actually secure and then disorganized, right?

Once you understand and you start to explore these different attachment styles, you can start to pinpoint how you typically relate to love and the way that we, especially how it shows up in romantic dynamics, I think it becomes pretty obvious what we're attracted to.

The person who's emotionally unavailable, for example, and we see that pattern come up over and over again.

Start to have some insight into this.

Then how do you build on top of attachment systems with your model?

Just to tie a bow on that, when you think about how often we are trying to get a need met the only way we know how, what are some of the most common patterns you see in your clinical practice as this shows up over and over again?

I've really just thoroughly enjoyed getting to get more glimpses of insight into the different parts of your journey.

And I think people are going to really resonate with it because you're being real.

And I know it feels raw, I'm sure, at times.