Andy Ellis

You definitely have to obsess over the business you serve.

My advice is get out there, get your hands dirty, get on the front lines where revenue is actually made and get to know what that success looks like.

Talk to your executives and your business peers and help them achieve what their goals are, but do it in a secure way.

The cool thing is not only does that help you to translate your risk in their business terms, but it helps you identify potential impacts and those opportunities that your strategy on security may cause.

Yeah.

Congratulations, David.

Well done.

Life goals achieved right there, you know, right behind my kid's birth.

That's what the reset button is for.

I feel like pinball is like darts and shuffleboard.

You can't really apply it anywhere else if you're good, so I always hesitate to get good at it.

But you don't ever play in tournaments, do you, David?

I generally haven't.

I mean, just maybe at the local place.

Yeah, we've got a national champion and many state champions in our in our local place.

So it's it's tough.

It's challenging.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you definitely are.