Andy Ellis

That's what the reset button is for.

I feel like pinball is like darts and shuffleboard.

You can't really apply it anywhere else if you're good, so I always hesitate to get good at it.

But you don't ever play in tournaments, do you, David?

I generally haven't.

I mean, just maybe at the local place.

Yeah, we've got a national champion and many state champions in our in our local place.

So it's it's tough.

It's challenging.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you definitely are.

I absolutely love what you said there, Andy, about basically making him have an out, if you will, the great versus awful idea.

David, to your question, I think we've got to serve as a risk advisor, but it's a trusted risk advisor.

And how you're going to establish trust is bring them realistic options, right?

Not the invest $10 billion or I'm going to the street type of thing, or I told you so.

So building that trust is a big part of it.

And you got to bring it to them with the proper business context, not the classic fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Something they're going to understand, something with mitigations, and really something that you're going to bring an advisement, say, hey, here's what I suggest, but here's the other alternatives that we've considered as part of that.

The only thing that gives me pause in that is the word control.