Andy Ellis

I just say I've done a million hygiene initiatives.

We'll preview.

We'll talk about it in a minute, I'm sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, thanks, Ross.

I mean, this, I definitely agree with this and I love this.

I like using the term best approaches because it is impossible to hit perfection with a lot of these frameworks, right?

And especially for companies with lower budgets and maybe smaller companies, I think it's

Trying to achieve perfection without focusing on the basics is a recipe for disaster.

So and ultimately, the approach is different for every company.

We talked about risk tolerance.

Everything like that is going to be different for every company.

So it's a different approach.

It doesn't have to be the exact same framework for everything.

You have to obsess over the table stakes.

We actually talked about this in a CISO roundtable a few weeks ago that I led.

And it's not sexy.

I mean, you talk about it, David, like it's not the cool new tool and it's not the new logo and things like that.

But the amount of companies that have been burned for not patching a legacy or an end of life server is most.

Yeah.