Andy Johnson

And then you stumble across a meeting with Gene Sarazin.

It's like two of the greatest major champions of all time.

Yeah, yeah.

It's amazing.

There's a feeling, I think, because of their shared passion, people give back and give back their time and lend advice.

I certainly have been the lucky recipient of some great advice from people that have achieved so much in the game.

what were your big kind of things that stood out to you about the old course?

Uh, having spent so much time originally, like if you can think back to when you were younger.

At this point, you want to be a golf architect.

You're in the field.

Caddying is, I think, an amazing thing from a perspective of golf architecture because you're exercising strategy.

You're carrying a bag, and oftentimes you're caring for somebody who needs help getting around.

the golf course, and you're guiding them on ideal lines of charm.

Were there holes in particular that you thought, wow, like I can really save someone because they think they should go over here, but we should go over here?

What I used to caddy, I would figure out the yardages and then just adjust the numbers to fit whatever the golfer thought the yardages were.

is there a particular hole from your caddy experience that you thought was you know really beguiling of like a novice on the old course as to the way that you should play it versus the way you know your intuition would take you to play it yeah I mean the classic is always 14 I mean it's Alistair McKenzie obviously did that famous plan which led him into golf course design and

I mean, that green is just an unbelievable green.

You know, it's like a contrary.

I think, you know, I spent 2022, the Open, all day, every day out there watching and walking.

And, you know, it's just a counterintuitive green where, to me, Rory McIlroy lost that game.