Andy Stumpf

Or you're on a jump with somebody and only one of the three makes it out or two of the three makes it out.

And they all had the same idea and plan.

Yeah, with Alex specifically.

I wasn't there for Alex's jump, but I had jumped with Alex enough for years before.

The one thing I wish I could do looking back with him is I was there with him for some close calls that he had.

A few were bad decisions.

that he, I would like to think, corrected for.

Because there is a phase in anything that you're doing that my instructor taught me how to fly helicopters.

He's like, listen, once you know better, you can do better.

But there's a phase where you don't know any better.

And so you think what you're doing is correct until either somebody points it out or you watch something so horrific happen and you pay attention to an investigation afterwards or a debrief afterwards,

And you can learn from that.

But with Alex, I wish I could go back and just honestly slap him around a little bit because that's what it would take for him to pay attention.

He would be appreciative of it, I think, if he understood what it would save.

But

I would associate his death directly also with that Dunning-Kruger curve.

And he had been doing it for years.

That doesn't mean you're out of that.

It's that middle area where you think you have everything dialed.

I think he had gotten away with it more than he had nailed it.