Andy Stumpf

And you actually...

you hit on here a little bit.

You helped a lot of good Iraqis.

Well, in Afghanistan, we had a generation of women that went to school for the first time ever.

Are they able to do so now?

No, not at all.

But I'd like to think that we changed the trajectory for a generation.

Will it have long-term significant impact?

I don't know, but it will have an impact.

And that's one example of something beyond

you being there for the people to your left and right and the reasons that brought you there in the first place.

It's a tough one.

God, you can get lost in this argument and you can talk yourself into a place where you feel like you wasted that time.

And it wasn't a waste.

It wasn't for nothing.

And if the termination of that

was that the blinders came off for you.

I mean, that in and of itself, I think is worth it because the more people we can get the blinders off, the better, because then we can make better decisions as a collective.

And I think that's, what's going to take to change the course of our country if we're able to do so.

And that's a whole conversation in and of itself.