Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
Being a pacifist is the way. Avoid violence at all costs. You know what I mean, Joe? Look at you, dog. You're a fucking author. Let's take it easy. I'm not an author until tomorrow, technically. No, you're an author once it's written. I can read it, which makes you an author. I have a book in my hand, which makes you an author. I tell you what, man.
You had more of a hand in that book than you would think.
Really?
um every you know before we started i had you sign one of the copies because i'm going to keep it for myself and the people's names who associated themselves with that who took a chance on me and supporting me they have just as much as hands as the monkey who may or may not have been sitting in front of the computer writing out the words very slowly isn't that the case with everything in life though i mean it's it's really who you know and like the people that you associate
associate with and what you learn from them and their examples, with everything. There's no individuals that are responsible entirely for their own life. There are individuals, though, that would tell you that they are. Yeah, but those are the people that I don't hang out with.
Yeah, I can't suffer being in the presence of somebody who thinks that they had every idea and every right decision was theirs. Because I look at my own life. One, I can't compete with that because my life is defined by its mistakes and idiotic things I've done. But two, I just, I don't get it. I'm a product of the people who I was raised by, the people I was around, the people still in my life.
I mean. 100%. We all are. If you don't think that, you're delusional. You cannot have an exceptional person that's surrounded by dipshits. They just won't, eventually they'll give in to dipshittery. It's contagious. Negative people. You really got me thinking though if that is possible. I'm trying to think of an example. Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it's impossible.
It could be possible, but it's very highly unlikely. And also they didn't achieve their full potential if that's the case. They would have been even better if they had been surrounded by exceptional people. Improbable at best. Yeah, at best. Yeah. I've never seen an example of it. Again, maybe one exists that I don't know about.
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Chapter 2: How does the theme of personal growth emerge in the conversation?
I mean, could you have ever thought, though, at JRE1, where I feel like that was you on a laptop video. Yeah, it was. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. And to where you are now, where you were like sitting down and talking to some of the most influential people on the face of planet Earth. No. I mean, I think if I planned it out like that, it would have never worked. You would have tried too hard? Maybe.
I don't know what I would have done. I mean, I probably would have been more careful, which would have made it less fun, which would have made it less attractive. You know, I think the two things that I've done that are really important is not pay attention to much online talk about me and just follow my interests and my instincts. Like I booked the whole thing entirely on instinct.
I look at all the different suggestions that come in and all the different requests to be on the show, and I go, no, me, huh, where's that, huh? Purely on self-interest? 100%. I think that's the way. What do you get per day, like ballpark people trying to get on your show? I don't even know because I have a really good guy that filters out a lot of them. I bet it's got to be in the hundreds.
Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. But he filters out a lot of them and it gets down to, you know, like what I he knows me really well. And so he, you know, sends me like some physicist is working on some new things, some quantum thing, this, that, the other thing, like there's a new person that's.
doing this and there's new research on that and then there's you know that kind of shit yeah i think the difference between you and me is i appreciate the fact you can hold a conversation with those people i would be sitting there listening to them with like the scroll wheel yeah do you have words that are smaller that could explain that well some of them i have to really prepare for like you know if i have like a brian cox on or something like that i'll really prepare
There's been a few people over time where I knew they were coming on three months out, so I've read a couple of their books, I watched a few of their lectures. But then there's other ones I could just hang out with them. Like Evan Haver comes on, we just shoot the shit. Angry small French painter. Fucking green berets. He's the best. I love that dude.
I was with him at the Montana Grand Opening, Montana Knife Company Grand Opening of their new HQ event. We've been on the road a bit, like two days ago. He's one of my favorite people. He's so we, but he's one of my favorite people. He's an awesome human. A very unusual human being. And he's one of the ones that's suffering from that stupid fucking alpha gal bite. He's got that tick.
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Chapter 3: What are the challenges of maintaining relationships in a high-pressure environment?
He got bit by that tick that makes you allergic to red meat. Is it all red meat or processed red meat? It's animal meat. It's mammal meat. That's the thing. You could eat some fish. Some people can eat fish. Some people can eat chicken. He's broken it down to only eating eggs right now. That's how bad it is. He's getting all of his protein from eggs, which is a great source of protein, no doubt.
That's exhaustingly boring, though. Just go to dinner with him. It's crazy. The guy has to eat vegetables and eggs. That's all he can eat. I would just mock him incessantly to his face. I know you would. Do you guys have a larger salad? Yeah. I mean, I would mock him that way because I care for him so deeply. He is truly like one of my closest friends. He is. He's an awesome dude. Yeah.
And so he's been battling this for a couple of years now. So he got clear of it and he was eating meat again and he was fine and he thought it was over. And then it came back. He came back with a vengeance. And it's a weird fucking disease because let's find out. Put this into perplexity.
What is the most – as far as like the documented cases of this alpha-gal syndrome, when did it first start occurring in the United States? Because I had never even heard about it until Evan, when he told me about it. I was like, what? You got allergic to red meat? And how can a tick bite cause that? I mean, Lyme disease is another one. Like, how does it do that?
A bite from a tick just jacks up the human body. Well, apparently Lyme disease has existed. There's been forms of Lyme disease throughout history. But there's real solid evidence that Lyme disease, which is named Lyme disease because of Lyme, Connecticut, is related to Plum Island, where they were doing bioweapons research on ticks. It's a historically good idea. And it's right there.
It's like literally right there. And then the prevalence of Lyme disease on the East Coast is fucking outrageous. It's outrageous how many ticks carry this fucking thing. I know so many people that have Lyme disease. And that's a lifelong one too, right? Like you're not getting off that train? You can manage the system? You can cure it. You can cure it. People have cured it.
And they've particularly cured it if they get on antibiotics very quickly. So one of the weird things about Lyme disease is the bite has like a little target around it. It's weird. It's like it almost looks like a bullseye because the infection, as it grows, there's a red circle around the bite. But that goes away within a few days.
But if that's recognized, you bring it to a doctor, they get you on antibiotics – You can actually get off of it, depending on the severity of your case, obviously. So here it is. Alpha-gal syndromes appeared to have first emerged in the U.S. in the late 1980s, but was not recognized as a distinct tick-related meat allergy until the early 2000s.
So in 1989, clinicians in Georgia collected about 10 cases of delayed allergic reactions to mammalian meat. Mammalian? Mammalian. Mammalian meat and link them to prior tick bites. These observations were not widely recognized at the time. Allergy was first formally identified as originating from tick bites in the U.S. by Thomas Platts Mills in the early 2000s.
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Chapter 4: How do societal expectations impact personal identity?
I didn't know. I'm actually not sure that I'm using it correctly. She just teaches me words and I throw them out at random times. But I think steez means style, I think. Yeah. Steez. Okay. Did you know about that one, Jamie? The steez? I've probably heard it. I don't know.
I have never heard it until this moment. There you go.
At least I don't believe so. The steez. Feel free to use it however you want to. Yeah, chicks wear stuff that they're so vulnerable in. You can only take steps that are less than 24 inches wide because you've got a dress that's like clinging to your knees, which is very odd. Like it's...
like tight all around here so you've got these like short steps and then the bottoms of your shoes are slippery and then your heels are elevated and then the heel has a point to it so it gets stuck in the grass. Just waiting to snap at the most inopportune moment. It's the dumbest shit of all time and they're fucking crazy expensive. The whole thing makes no sense. Like what are they doing?
They're trying to look good for us. But they look good already. That's what they don't understand. I think they're looking good for themselves. I think they look good without that shit. I would agree. Yeah, a hot chick in flip-flops, no one's going, God, I wish she was wearing some shoes that you couldn't walk around in.
She might even be more approachable if she was in flip-flops because you'd be like, she's maybe more down to earth. Maybe that's what they're going for. They're going for not approachable. Trying to keep the fucking... Doesn't that defeat the overall long end-around purpose? No, you're trying to get dudes that are willing to take a chance. On what? On a gal that's unapproachable.
Like you have enough confidence in yourself that you'll step up to an unapproachable gal. Nope, not me. Hard pass. Hard pass. Too much work. I'm willing to do some things that people think are odd, but yeah, that's a hard pass. Yeah, I know. But also, it's like, you're in line. There's a lot of other dudes approaching that, too. Probably. So now, then it's like you're in an audition process.
Fuck all of that.
Boring. Life is way too short for all that. It's great for people who don't have anything else to do, if that's all you want to do. Nope. Yeah. I'm not interested in that either. Same. There's way too much other exciting shit out there. But yeah, if you and your wife wore all the same clothes, that would be an issue. A good issue or bad?
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Chapter 5: What are the dangers of high-speed driving in urban areas?
So you can get like a Corvette ZR1, which is also 1,100 horsepower and fucking bonkers, a bonkers fast, insanely engineered car. You don't have to show that you know how to drive at all. You just have a driver's license. Right into the nearest telephone pole. Sideways. I mean, there's plenty of videos of that.
My friend Whitney sent me a video of a street takeover in Los Angeles this Saturday night where they took over some street and gunshots and people just, they cut off the entire street so no one can go anywhere.
Chapter 6: How do street takeovers escalate into violence?
People surround these cars and the cars drive around in circles and then someone started shooting at people. Awesome. What a classic pairing. Yeah, good times. It's good to have rules. Yeah. Yeah, they're not doing that in Montana. Exactly. Exactly. You have to have an enormous amount of people in order for things to get that chaotic with a very small percentage of humans.
Were there cops there for that or they just didn't want to get in the mix? They didn't show up until after. The cops showed up when people start shooting. Yeah, that's generally when they're going to respond to that. Then they're getting security cameras. But the thing is in Los Angeles, they don't fucking put you in jail for anything. They let you right out. There's no cash bail.
Chapter 7: What are the implications of recent crime trends in Los Angeles?
They're letting people out for all kinds of crimes. I was listening to a podcast where a guy was a former gang member, and he was saying he's leaving Los Angeles because they're letting 70,000 people out of prison. It's like it's going to get too dangerous. So it was too dangerous for the gang member. There's the answers to some tests right there. Maybe pay attention. Yeah.
You got to wonder, like, what are they trying to do with California where everything seems to go in the wrong direction? Like, if you look at the vaccine thing, like, do you think they're really trying to lower population? Is that what they're trying to do? Yeah. kill off a percent. What are they trying to do with California? Are they really trying to destroy the state?
Because if I was trying to destroy a state, that's how I would do it. I'd let everybody out of jail. I'd regulate the fuck out of everything so nothing could get done. You know, you can't buy these in California. Why? These are Alps because they're flavored. This is wintergreen. Shout out to Tucker Carlson. This is his brand. I like these. These are very delicious.
By the way, I showed these to Daniel Cormier. He goes, where'd you get those? And I go, in Texas, you could buy them. He goes, you know you can't buy them in California. And he goes, I get them and I bring them around all these dads. They're like, I'm a dealer. They're like, where'd you get that? Because they won't let you have flavored nicotine pouches. It's illegal in California.
It's for your safety.
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Chapter 8: How does Andy Stumpf view the future of technology and society?
They're trying to turn you into just a little baby that needs everything from the government. Everything. Everything. We were at that launch party. Somehow I got an invitation to be there. So we go to Tennessee. Tucker stands on a chair and talks about ALP. Stood on a chair? Yeah, because it was in Dave Ramsey's barn. And again, I'm so far not in the social circle of this.
I think he should have sat on someone's shoulders. That would be even better. He's pretty big. So you would have needed somebody who has squatted once or twice in their life. So we listened to him talk and they had a little like on the other room is a huge fireplace was just this like a charcuterie table about this size. So I'm getting some cheese and then I turn around.
I'm like, hello, Mel Gibson. And I just fucking went and sat in the corner. I was so uncomfortable. in that environment. Because Mel was there? Mel, there was a lot of people there. I just, you know, you've sat down and talked with him. You exist in a different orbit than I do. I exist in an orbit of 1.1 million total people that I don't see every day. In the state. In the state.
So, like, I interact with the people I want to. I was not prepared to have a cheese stick and turn around and see the dude from Lethal Weapon standing there. Like... Hi. I got to get out of here. By the way, if you talk to him, he is one of the most normal, easy to talk to movie stars you will ever meet. He has no heirs about him. He's very easy to talk to.
I just don't do good in social situations like that where everybody was relatively recognizable. I just sit in the corner and I hang out with my wife and we eat charcuterie. I get it. I get it. I don't like those things either, believe it or not. Well, I have... I have been, do you remember the event you did at Performance Archery in San Diego? Oh yeah, yeah.
I didn't realize, I watched you trying to make your way to the bathroom and it took you about 30 minutes to go 20 feet. And I don't know how you deal with that. I don't, that's, I mean, one, I know you well enough outside of that, like you're a genuinely nice person. You will give people the time, like, because you're appreciative, right, of the fact that they want to meet you.
Like, I totally get that. But also sometimes you have to piss. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how any of those people, or maybe you don't, operate in like, in a sense, in air quotes of normalcy. It's not normal, but the way I think of it is like, They just like me. It's way better than if they hated me. Way better than if you go into the bathroom and everybody wants to kick your ass.
I'm going to the bathroom. They just want to say hi. And for them, it's a very unique moment. So I try to reset every time I see a new person. And I try to treat them as if it's like this is a – for them, it's a unique experience. They get to meet – and – Never believe that I am unique.
Don't believe the hype and don't think you are special, but always appreciate the fact that someone else does. And so take the time to say hi. The UFCs are hard because I can't. Sometimes...
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