Andy Stumpf

Oh, for sure.

Just pop that head right off.

Cross collar is nasty.

There's a lot of great, great gi techniques that are super effective if someone's wearing clothes.

I mean, you'd be amazed at how durable T-shirts are.

You know, you could really choke the fuck out of someone with a T-shirt on.

So Henner has a video where he'll get the first hand in.

He's got him in closed guard.

He reaches over and he grabs the bottom of the shirt, pulls it all the way up, and then wraps that around.

Oh, yeah.

it's got to feel like a garage yeah just horrible yeah horrible and especially if they're wearing like a strong shirt like a flannel shirt or something like that something to really grab yeah yeah but but that was john jock's style his style was use no gi grips even with the gi

So for me, it made me concentrate more on defense because you couldn't pull out of things as easily.

But I never felt lost going into no-gi.

So I would go back and forth all the time.

So, you know, I got my black belt from Eddie first, but I got my black belt from Jean-Jacques right after that because I was training at both places.

That was also a beautiful thing about...

Eddie being Jean-Jacques' student and them having a very close relationship.

It never felt like you were a traitor, that you left schools.

Because I never really left schools.

I trained at both places.